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theapex · #11 March 19th, 2008, 16:04

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Originally Posted by Titancow

Sorry, I should have been more clear. I know that this isn't Trance music, I was just comparing the two styles as trance is what I really focus on. So when I was talking about trance, I was really trying to apply what I know (whcih is mainly about trance) to this different style, which I guess probably isn't the best idea, but it's what I'm best at, if you get my drift.

As for the verses, I meant the actuall pattern of the song and how it transitions from piece to piece, which can be whatever way you want, there aren't any rules or anything, it's just how a lot of songs are laid out.

As for the loop thing I was talking about, that's just how I find a lot of my songs and other people's songs are created - fudging about on your keyboard and coming across a cool loop which you then build on and create some variations.

As for the "same idea as the last one", I mean that it was a vocal sort of looped and was similar in the rhythmic sense to your last track.

I'm just pointing out all the negatives for you, there are a lot of good things about the track, the drums are pretty cool, with some good mastering, and I like the way it's a bit of a rare drum loop. It really does have a lot of potential.

I put a song on Youtube which i literally made in about an hour to demonstrate what I meant by the pattern of a song, the transition of verse to chorus or whatever.

You can find it here. It's not the best but gets the point across.

Don't stop posting tracks though, it's a great way to learn and teach.

Yes I get your drift Titan, and glad we are on the same page (about the Trance vs. Hip Hop stuff)

Now that I am listening to the track again, I do see what you are talking about with the lack of variation. (I'll break it down for you though)

The part of the track where they say "Fighting Hard" is the chorus section of the track. The part with the chord changes and the sample saying "It's So Hard" is the verse. Now when you listen does it make more sense...

I still do understand and now somewhat agree with what you were saying though...about me varying it a little more. But once vocals are on it, it will be very obvious then, where the sections break up!!!

I am still kinda lost about how it sounds like my last track. I think I have put three different tracks on here...and I am not at all sure which one you are talking about. If you mean the beat focusing around a vocal sampling...then oh yeah, I feel you. It won't be the last!!!

What does a rare drum loop mean?

I will listen to you track on youtube and post about it on the youtube site. (just so things don't get mixed up in this thread)

theapex · #12 March 19th, 2008, 17:01

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Originally Posted by kiDsiQue

Yo man, nice sampling!!! but bringing down the level so drastically at the end of the sample just does'nt sound right. Also, the drums are a bit 'soft' and not bangin enough... well thats just my personal opinion but overall, great work. Are you gonna add vocals in there? If you do it would sound great!!!

Keep up the good work !!!

"Bringing down the level???" I don't understand what you mean. Please explain.

I don't ever really do much to my drums. What kind of things do you do to make your drums hit the way you reference in your comment.

Yes, there is someone writing a song and working on the vocal part of the track probably as we speak.

theapex · #13 March 19th, 2008, 17:07

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Originally Posted by _SG_

Nice work man, nice chops (they are chops right? lol) anyway I would just beefen up that snare a little, make it knock. Also that second kick makes the mix sound a little bit muddy, it has a little to much "boom" in it. I say just stick to tight punchy kicks on this track. Also this may just be a rough mix but try adding an intro with another part of the sample of something.

And by the way apex i know what you mean with sampling when it comes to hiphop. Straight CLASSIC records were made from even pure loops and straight simple drums in hiphop. hey sometimes I like more variation but it sounds like heat it sounds like heat lol.

SG (my dude) Appreciate the comment. (was wondering where you were..LOL)

Yes I did chop the song. Do you recognize where it's from? A very popular song.

I need to learn more about this beefing up my drum tracks. I get that comment quite a bit. See I don't use the Redrum to do my drums. I use the Dr. REx: I am sure you all know this all ready, but the Dr. Rex loads the samples of the loop onto the keys...just like the other samplers do. So instead of actually using the loop that the Dr. REx provides, I just use the samples that are in the loop. (does that make sense?) I don't think you can route the drum sounds to an effect or whatever when using the DR. Rex, the same way you can when using the Redrum. I think you have to route the entire output, which would make the entire drum track processed by which ever effect I choose to use, instead of just one isolated drum sound.

"second kick" please explain this a little. I did go back and listen for what you are talking about...I hope you are not talking about the very low bass sound that keeps coming in...that's not a kick. It is a bass sound.

oh yeah...are you saying the track is HEAT????

thanks man.

Titancow · #14 March 19th, 2008, 17:27

"Try it" and "Fighting Hard" are comparable due to the fact that they are both based around a vox sample, which is similar to how trance music is based around a synth arp/seq (usually, there are some exceptions, like Born Slippy).

Rare drums are unusual drums, which aren't very easy to describe... there are some samples in the Factory Redrum kits.

Glad that you're still cool.

karmeesl · #15 March 19th, 2008, 17:33

Yo the beat is cool, but a couple of things..

From what i have learned Playing your own stuff gets u the most money.
Sampling will keep you underground unless people have that money for master fees, Copyright and all that losing money stuff.
Record companies or artist really dont like sampled music unless its a sure hit.
like 50 (i get money) for example.
Make your beat like a template. for example...some artist be having no ideas sometimes..so if u were making hip hop beatz throw like something to take about in a big like a hook so they already have something to talk about.
Equing ya drums is a must...i have a drum/vocal/sound equing chart im going to post for you it will help.

what up SG this is King_me/Refill_King from a while ago. i forgot my user name so i just made a new one.

Im going to post some beatz so you can check out.

My credits Are:
Mtv 50 track deal
the music behind, real world, Barbershop

check us out at.
www.Marcadebeatz.com

NUTTSDUTTS · #16 March 19th, 2008, 21:39

Hey had a listen,

Was quite impressed......at first, but then I thought it kept sounding like it was bulilding up to something only too repeat itself over and over.

For what is a drum driven track, your drums aren't loud enough, especially your kick compared to the bass. They need more variation, somthing that keeps the listener interested in them.

Good high end freq stuff, nice clarity and space between the instruments/samples. They work together well.

You really really need somthing to chop the track up, after lisening to the first 30 secs, I felt I had listened to the whole song. IMO you have half a song here. The end was very sudden aswell.

Altogether a good start on the way to making a good track. Well done.

theapex · #17 March 19th, 2008, 21:46

does anyone understand that the track won't seem sooooo repetitive once there are lyrics over it? i mean what if I just don't song write my tracks when I put them up on there??? meaning I dont do the verse then chorus thing over and over again like it was being rapped on or sang on right then... what if I just supply enough of the ("LOOP") to allow people to get the idea....

WOULD IT STILL SEEM SO BORING?

thanks for the comments...yall better stop you are turning me into SUPERPRODUCER!!!

It's DA APEX!!!!

NUTTSDUTTS · #18 March 20th, 2008, 06:50

We will all shut up now

Granted it won't sound as repetitive with lyrics.

I'm not saying do the chorus verse thing. Just something, a slow freq swoop over the drums, or a splash of reverb or a DDL every now and again, pitch chnging the sample.....something.....anything.

Youv'e got a good track there in which to try a hundred different idea's.

theapex · #19 March 20th, 2008, 07:25

please dont shut up...i love the feedback!!!!!!!!

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