Hey people I usually don't like making tracks full of loud booms and thuds, but I'd like to try to make a couple for a change,I need kicks that would really blow someone's ear drums out. I've noticed lately that it's virtually impossible to get a loud bass kick sound out of reason. I make my song, and then compare it to some commercial hip hop products and there's no comparison. As soon as I get to acceptable volume level the static comes in full force and the sample becomes unusable, so I have to lower the volume on the track. There's also an issue with the fact that it drowns out all other sounds. When I turn the rack around and chage the setting for the mixer from "improved EQ" to "commpatible eq" I get a better result but nothing revolutionary...

Any tips?

I think most engineers sidechain the kick for that style of music. Do a google on sidechaining in Reason. I know there's some You Tubes of it somewhere. I know that Titan has posted some links to it in the past. Plus also you're comparing a Reason track to other tracks that are done with very expensive equipment and engineers with many years of experience in most cases. You need more than just Reason to compete with or sound like the big boys.

JOe

Nonsense! Anything is possible with Reason!

I'll look up sidechaining thanks for the pointers.

Maybe in a vacuum.

Joe

It's not the software or hardware. It's talent and experience. You CAN do very professional productions in Reason, but you have to know Reason well and know about mastering and so on. Reason is not the problem.

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You have to get familar with EQing and compression or even multiband compression, if you want to reach the loudness of commercial productions.

Yes, I agree that Reason can produce some very good and professional results if you know how to acheive them, but given equal talent, Reason alone cannot compete with professional studios using Newman mics, Manley compressors, Avolon pres, Neve boards, full blown Pro Tools and so on.

Joe

agreed.
in the end you feel satisfied with your result... until you turn on the radio and listen to music that you just know is essentialy "worse", but you just know good EQing and the pro stuff makes the difference.

i'm with joe on this one.

also, i stepped on this thread because i am looking for a way to boost my kick, as i try to produce electronic music, and i absolutely need a power kick. (ex.: Crookers, Sidechains, TEPR...)

so you'd say you can get a groovy and powerfull kick with a sidechain compression? i gotta go master on that...

thanks all **

yes i think that too when i try to make a louder volume track is loses quality, i'm searching how to do it properly with reason or t-racks or audacity with the normalize and hard limiter see this picture and try to do the same with audacity

Reason's audio output level is low for a... err... reason. Just turn your monitors up until it sounds "about right" (and be careful if you forget to turn it down afterwards).

Once you have your track mixed properly, you can worry about mastering to bring up the levels. Don't push up the volume levels in Reason to compensate for the low output volume, instead turn up your monitors!

It's all floating point until rendering anyway, and if you render at 24 bits, you should have plenty of resolution and space for mastering.

Modern music is very heavily compressed which is why it sounds so loud. It's a trade-off, you'll lose musical quality (dynamic range) in exchange for loudness. The human ear decides how far that trade off works.

What I found very helpful is import all my midi tracks from reason to Logic because it allows me to amp up my kicks and snares and control volume level's for all the midi tracks. Resulting in a much better sound.

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